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R. Eliezer ruled, they convey uncleanness<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Rabbinically (cf. following two notes). ');"><sup>52</sup></span> to other liquids<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Because liquids are prone to uncleanness. In consequence they contract from the vessels a first grade of uncleanness, the same grade as that of the outer sides of the vessels themselves. ');"><sup>54</sup></span> but they<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since Pentateuchally (cf. prev. n. but one) they are deemed to be clean. ');"><sup>55</sup></span> do not render foodstuffs unfit.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Toh. VIII, 7; much less do they render them unclean. (This is explained presently.) ');"><sup>56</sup></span> 'They convey uncleanness to liquids' even where the latter are common, but they 'do not render foodstuffs unfit', even where the latter are <i>terumah</i>. R. Joshua ruled: They convey uncleanness to liquids and also render foodstuffs unfit.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Toh. VIII, 7. ');"><sup>57</sup></span> Said R. Joshua: This may be inferred a minori ad majus: If a tebul yom who<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Being subject to a secondary grade of uncleanness only (v. following n.). ');"><sup>58</sup></span> does not convey uncleanness to a common liquid,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As explained in Pes. 14b. ');"><sup>59</sup></span> nevertheless renders foodstuffs of <i>terumah</i> unfit how much more then should the outsides of vessels which do convey uncleanness to an unconsecrated liquid render foodstuffs of <i>terumah</i> unfit. And R. Eliezer?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' How in view of this inference can he maintain his ruling? ');"><sup>60</sup></span> — The uncleanness of the outsides of vessels<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Contracted from liquids. ');"><sup>61</sup></span> is only Rabbinical<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. supra n. 3. ');"><sup>62</sup></span> while that of a tebul yom<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In respect of conveying uncleanness to foodstuffs of terumah. ');"><sup>63</sup></span> is pentateuchal;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' As deduced from Scripture in Yeb. 74b. ');"><sup>64</sup></span> and, where it is a question of deducing a Rabbinical from a Pentateuchal law, no inference a minori ad majus can be applied.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since it is obvious that Pentateuchal uncleanness should be subject to greater restrictions. ');"><sup>65</sup></span> For in accordance with Pentateuchal law no foodstuff conveys uncleanness to a vessel and no liquid conveys uncleanness to a vessel, and it is only the Rabbis that have ordained such uncleanness as a preventive measure against possible laxity in the case of the fluid<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' E.g., spittle. ');"><sup>66</sup></span> of a <i>zab</i> or a zabah;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which is a primary uncleanness Pentateuchally (cf. Lev. XV, 8). ');"><sup>67</sup></span> hence it is only in the case of liquids, which are prone to contract uncleanness, that the Rabbis have enacted a preventive measure, but in that of foodstuffs, since they are not prone to contract uncleanness, the Rabbis enacted no preventive measure. What, however, is the reason for the mention of the outsides of vessels?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'wherein is the difference&nbsp;… that he took up', sc. why should not the Mishnah equally speak of the insides of vessels that similarly contracted from liquids Rabbinical uncleanness? ');"><sup>68</sup></span> — Because their restrictions are lighter.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Than those that govern the insides of vessels. In the latter case R. Eliezer agrees that terumah is rendered invalid. ');"><sup>69</sup></span> For we have learnt: If the outside of a vessel came in contact with unclean liquids,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'a vessel whose back became unclean by liquids'. ');"><sup>70</sup></span> its outside becomes unclean while its inside, its hanger,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'its ear'. ');"><sup>71</sup></span> its rim and its handles remain clean, but if its inside has become unclean all of it is unclean.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Kelim XXV, 6. ');"><sup>72</sup></span> But what does Samuel teach us,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' By stating supra that 'the halachah is in agreement with R. Eliezer in four cases'. ');"><sup>73</sup></span> seeing that in all these cases we learnt that the law [was in agreement with R. Eliezer]? And should you reply that he mainly informed us about the 'outsides of vessels' concerning which we did not learn [elsewhere what the law was], why [it could be retorted] did he not simply state, 'The <i>halachah</i> is in agreement with R. Eliezer in the case of the outsides of vessels'? — The fact is that it is this that he informed us:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' By laying down the halachah (cf. prev. n.) in the case of rulings where a similar statement was actually embodied in the Mishnah. ');"><sup>74</sup></span> That the <i>halachah</i> may not be derived from a theoretical statement.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Talmud, lit., 'learning'. All statements as to what is the halachah added by a Tanna to a ruling in a Mishnah or a Baraitha must be regarded as a mere opinion or theory which a disciple expressed with reference to a ruling of his master. It is only the carefully considered decisions of the later Amoras that, being based on a minute examination and thorough analysis of their predecessor's views that may be relied upon as authoritative in determining the halachah (cf. Rashi). ');"><sup>75</sup></span> But are there no more [than the four rulings]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Referred to supra by Rab Judah in the name of Samuel, concerning which the halachah is in agreement with R. Eliezer. ');"><sup>76</sup></span> Is there not in fact another, since we have learnt: R. Eliezer ruled,

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